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Kiai Master vs MMA

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Cited on HN 4 times, 2010–2017, never outright recommended score 0
Years with an HN recommendation, 2007–2026

It is cited as an example of mystical or energy-based martial arts failing against real fighters, alongside the Tai Chi master incident.

A kiai master offers a 5000 dollar challenge that he can beat any MMA fighter, and his supposed energy techniques have no effect on the fighter.

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@thaumaturgy Jun 2010 Cites it
on HN thread Homeopathy for politicians
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There's a fantastic video online somewhere of a martial arts instructor that had built a practice out of some form of "energetic combat", where he would run around and wave his arms, and his students -- somehow convinced that it worked -- would helpfully fall over. Then one day there was a challenge from a more traditional martial practitioner. The sensei was quite surprised when his unconvinced opponent did not fall down like he was supposed to. And even more surprised when he got smacked in the face. Unfortunately, rather than grapple with the realization that he had been practicing nonsense for years, IIRC he came up with some woo-woo excuse for why it didn't work that day, or on that opponent. EDIT: Found it! [this video]
@caminante Aug 2016 Pushes back
on HN thread Kung Fu, Once Central to Hong Kong Life, Is Waning
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I think you are over-selling the internet's contribution. The growth of MMA has been the real driver. I think you're talking past the parent comment. He's saying that the Internet shined a light and exposed "bullshido" martial arts. BJJ, muay thai, wrestling, and kickboxing didn't need an MMA forum to raise doubts. They needed visibility. The Internet makes the social proof easily accessible without having to buy a PPV, rent a DVD, or attend a fight. The exposure has correctly labeled many of these cultish martial arts for what they are -- ineffective combat systems. The sad part is that for a sizeable minority, it almost takes a Youtube intervention with many videos such as this one [0] to convince them that no amount of aikido training will let them mow through a wave of attackers. [0] [this video]

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