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David Kriesel: Traue keinem Scan, den du nicht selbst gefälscht hast

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Called a classic CCC talk, and the Xerox bug is cited as a cautionary tale about trusting scans and digitized archives.

David Kriesel's 31C3 talk, in German, on the discovery that Xerox scanner-copiers silently replace digits and letters in scanned documents. He explains how the bug stayed unnoticed in the wild for years.

“If you speak german and haven’t seen this yet, watch it, this is a classic.” (HN, 2021)

3 strong recommendations · 2 recommendations · 4 citations · Talks

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@snicksnak Dec 2020 Strongly recommends
on HN thread RC3 talk: How to survive in spacecraft [video]
I would also highly recommend "Traue keinem Scan, den du nicht selbst gefälscht hast" [0] but I just noticed that there are no english subtitles available. [0] [this video] (2015)
German talk on scanners silently altering documents.
@solarkraft Nov 2021 Strongly recommends
on HN thread Confused Xerox copiers rewrite scanned documents, expert finds (2013)
(2013). The whole ordeal lead to a quite legendary presentation by David at CCC (german, no captions, live translation available but pretty bad): [this video] If you speak german and haven’t seen this yet, watch it, this is a classic. His talks are all entertaining and interesting.
Legendary CCC presentation on the Xerox scanner number-changing bug.
@masswerk Mar 2019 Recommends
on HN thread DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System
Thanks for the complementary links! Regarding Xerox scanner compression issues, compare this great CCC-talk by David Kriesel, "Traue keinem Scan, den du nicht selbst gefälscht hast" [0] – Sorry, German only. [0] [this video] [1] [link] (Didn't MS's PDF-viewer have similar issues?)
CCC talk on Xerox scanner compression altering scanned content (German).
@sdoering Aug 2021 Recommends
on HN thread Contract by Email
This reminded me of a great talk (in German) by David Kriesel about scanners not scanning correctly but replacing letters and numbers because of pattern matching (if I remember correctly). It was a really great talk. Not sure if there is an English version somewhere: [this video]
German talk on scanners replacing digits through pattern matching.

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@a1369209993 Aug 2021 Cites it
on HN thread Contract by Email
> Not sure if there is an English version somewhere: [this video] Seems to be: [link] Direct: [link] Which has german/english dual audio, but defaults to german (so presumably google ruined the english track on upload). If your video player doesn't support picking audio, you can probably fiddle with ffmpeg to strip out the german track.
@winReInstall Dec 2022 Cites it
on HN thread Archiving official documents as an act of radical journalism
Related: [this video] guy discovered that xerox workstations (like the ones to scan in government archives) corrupted numbers. Thus falsifying documents on a massive scale. Obamas "birth certificate" went through this document shredder. So distributing, non digital copies. Thats were the lasting value is.
Xerox scanners corrupted numbers in scanned archives.
@Log_out_ Dec 2023 Cites it
on HN thread UK plan to digitise wills and destroy paper originals "insane" say experts
Germany scanned its national archives in with xerox stations. We will never know what numbers might have been scrambled. [this video] So similar projects existed and were so disastrous that they were quietly buried. To this day if a document was xerox scanned before the Bugfix it might be nil and void in court.
Xerox scan bug as cautionary tale for digitizing archives.
@matrss Jul 2025 Cites it
on HN thread iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras
Worse, Xerox scanners specifically meant for digitizing documents have changed text for a long time. The compression algorithm they used (I think even in the default settings) sometimes replaced e.g. 6 with 8, and similar things. See: [this video] (german, but there should be news articles from back then in english as well, somewhere)
Xerox scanner compression replaced digits like 6 with 8.

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