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Apollo Launch Abort System Test

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HN cites it as the classic example of a launch abort test that proved the design even though the rocket failed.

Footage of an unmanned Apollo boilerplate capsule launched on a Little Joe II booster to test the launch escape system. The booster went out of control and broke up, but the escape system worked and the capsule was recovered undamaged.

“the rocket accidentally broke apart but the escape tower system then performed perfectly” (HN, 2023)

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@hcrisp May 2015 Cites it
on HN thread SpaceX’s Pad Abort Test
Apollo's launch escape system was tested using a rocket called Little Joe II, which started spiraling unexpectedly due to a gyro problem causing the rocket to fail. Fortunately the escape system worked as intended. [1] [this video]
Apollo escape system test surviving a rocket failure.
@ceejayoz Nov 2016 Cites it
on HN thread Musk says SpaceX knows what caused the latest rocket failure
Spinning's entirely possible to survive. The Saturn missions tested it (and it was a really good test - something went wrong and the rocket actually went out of control) - [this video] A tumble should be fairly trivial to detect and fire only when the capsule's in its upwards pointing portion of the tumble. Plus, you'd only be firing into the ground if you're pretty early in the launch - the Dragon launch abort only sent it up a kilometer or so. Finally , the launch abort is pretty sensitive - deviating not far off the right direction should trigger it, before a full-on tumble.
Saturn escape test that survived an out-of-control rocket.
@msl Aug 2019 Cites it
on HN thread The death of a weather satellite as seen by SDR
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Satellites usually need to point their solar panels and high-gain antennas properly in order to stay powered to be able to communicate with ground stations, although this particular satellite seems to have been unable to use its high-gain antenna anyway and relied on an omnidirectional one anyway. Another issue would be thermal management as it is possible that not all parts of the satellite were designed to deal with direct sunlight. I would be more worried about all the sensors, though. The days of secondary electron conduction tubes [1] might be long over, but many instruments still prefer not to be pointed directly at the sun. Speaking of those other sensors, spinning the satellite would mean pointing all of them away from where they are supposed to be looking – not necessarily a net win. Finally, trying to spin the satellite at anything approaching 360 RPM might end up dramatically shortening the mission [2]. [1] [link] [2] [this video] EDIT: In case you do not feel like watching the video, [2] shows a Little Joe II rocket ( [link] ) breaking up due to an excessive roll rate (around 56 RPM) ( [link] ).
Rocket breaking up from excessive roll rate.
@hoorayimhelping May 2020 Cites it
on HN thread If Rockets Were Transparent [video]
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Red is kerosene, blue is liquid oxygen, orange is liquid hydrogen, the fuel that looks like fire is solid fuel (think compressed gunpowder). Left to right: Saturn V, Space Shuttle, Falcon 9 Heavy, SLS (still under construction). 2:22, you hear Neil Armstrong say "inboard cutout," that is the center engine shutting off to limit the thrust, and therefore G-forces the astronauts felt. As fuel ran out, the rocket stack would weigh less and so the rocket would push harder. By the time the main engine cutoff, the Saturn V was pulling 4 and a half Gs. Also, just noticed the SLS keeps its launch escape tower (the big needle on the top of the rocket - see this: [this video] ) - this wouldn't happen in a real flight. The flight plan calls for ditching than when it's not longer useful - you can hear the Apollo 11 call saying, "tower jettisoned."
Illustrates launch escape tower on a rocket.
@ceejayoz Dec 2023 Cites it
on HN thread SpaceX's next Starship flight could test refueling tech
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> how come people with sliding rulers and navigation computers 'knitted' by local grannies have lost 0 Saturn rockets. The fuck? NASA lost people in production hardware multiple times. [link] [link] "The damaged third-stage engine failed to restart for trans-lunar injection... Despite the engine failures, the flight provided NASA with enough confidence to use the Saturn V for crewed launches..." [link] [link] [link] Here's a fun one: They tested the Saturn crew escape system. The booster was supposed to blow up, and demonstrate the crew would survive... but the test went wrong , and it blew up early , when it shouldn't have. The crew abort worked, so test failed successfully . [this video]
Saturn escape test where failure still proved the system.
@ceejayoz Dec 2023 Cites it
on HN thread SpaceX's next Starship flight could test refueling tech
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> If a test flight doesn't achieve the testing objectives, that's a failure. Incorrect. Examples: [this video] is a Saturn launch abort test that failed. It failed in a way that they were able to determine that intended test would have worked, though. [link] also failed to achieve its objectives; "Despite the engine failures, the flight provided NASA with enough confidence to use the Saturn V for crewed launches; a potential third uncrewed flight was cancelled." All that aside, SpaceX was quite clear that the latest Starship test had multiple objectives, and that "successfully splashdown near Hawaii" was deemed quite unlikely. It successfully demonstrated a number of items, including fairly critically the launchpad changes.
Example of a failed test that still validated the design.

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