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Why Can't we Remake the Rocketdyne F1 Engine?

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Cited as the standard illustration of lost tacit knowledge and why old blueprints cannot be turned back into hardware.

Short Curious Droid video on why NASA could not simply rebuild the Saturn V's Rocketdyne F-1 engine for the SLS boosters. It explains that the engines were hand-tailored and that much of the know-how was never documented, so the blueprints were not enough.

“TLDR: everything was handcrafted, notes were not made or lost” (HN, 2021)

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@lmilcin Jul 2021 Recommends
on HN thread SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket will launch NASA's Europa Clipper to icy Jupiter moon
Sure. Not a source but still interesting. [this video] (Why Can't we Remake the Rocketdyne F1 Engine?) TLDR: everything was handcrafted, notes were not made or lost, people have retired or passed away and today's engineers don't know the tricks that the original engineers used. Effectively, existing blueprints are not enough to rebuild the engine.
Handcrafted engines and lost notes make blueprints insufficient to rebuild the F-1.

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@est31 Jul 2019 Cites it
on HN thread How Ancient Rome’s Concrete Has Survived 2,000 Years (2017)
Yup that's what curious droid's video on this is saying as well [1]. Basically the plans all were off a little bit and each rocket engine was hand-tailored to the demands of the individual rocket by these skilled people you mentioned. They did document their changes but only on scrap notes that since were lost. The plans themselves that were archived don't contain those notes and even if they had them, you couldn't find people with such skills any more. [1]: [this video]
Why the F-1 engine can't be rebuilt from surviving plans.
@est31 Mar 2021 Cites it
on HN thread The Air Force is having to reverse engineer parts of its own stealth bomber
Reminds me of how NASA had to design completely new rocket engines for SLS because while they still had the plans for the Saturn-V rocket engines, back then plans weren't followed to such high accuracy as nowadays a 3D model would be followed. Each engine was custom tailored with small modifications here and there. The knowledge to custom tailor them was lost, so they went with designing new engines from scratch instead. [this video]
Why Saturn V engines couldn't be recreated from plans.
@xyzzy21 Mar 2021 Cites it
on HN thread Audi abandons combustion engine development
You'd have to redesign it from scratch - it would be faster. Which is what happened with the SLS engine/launch vehicle. Duplicating the F1 would involve technology and knowledge of individual engineers who are dead and corporations that no longer exist. The TACIT knowledge and technologies required to go with the blueprints died with them. [link] [link] [this video]
Tacit knowledge behind the F-1 engine was lost.

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