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3 HN users recommended this documentary3 months2013–2017 score 3.5
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HN cites it as the classic demonstration of survivorship and confirmation bias in betting, trading and prediction claims.

Derren Brown's TV special in which he convinces a person he has a system for predicting horse race winners, demonstrating how survivorship bias and selective outcomes can fake predictive powers.

“Here's an entertaining video from Derren Brown that shows how to use this technique to convince people you have psychic powers” (HN, 2014)

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@Fuzzwah Nov 2014 Strongly recommends
on HN thread The Day I Lost a Shit-ton of Money, Part I
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This reminds me of Derren Brown's awesome "The System" special: [this video] More info for anyone who hasn't had the pleasure of knowing who Derren Brown is: [link] Derren Brown is a British illusionist, mentalist, trickster, hypnotist, painter, writer, and sceptic. He is known for his appearances in television specials, stage productions, and British television series such as Trick of the Mind and Trick or Treat. Since the first broadcast of his show Derren Brown: Mind Control in 2000, Brown has become increasingly well known for his mind-reading act. He has written books for magicians as well as the general public. Though his performances of mind-reading and other feats of mentalism may appear to be the result of psychic or paranormal practices, he claims no such abilities and frequently denounces those who do. Brown states at the beginning of his Trick of the Mind programmes that he achieves his results using a combination of "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship".
Derren Brown's horse-betting special
@sgdesign Sep 2014 Recommends
on HN thread How to see into the future?
I don't know if your assessment of the study is valid (it seems a little simplistic to think that they wouldn't account for this to be honest), but what you describe is classic Survivorship Bias. Here's an entertaining video from Derren Brown that shows how to use this technique to convince people you have psychic powers: [this video] Edit: also see the comment about the Miracle Man scam in this thread.
Entertaining demonstration of survivorship bias faking psychic powers
@sparkzilla Dec 2014 Recommends
on HN thread A Magician’s Best Trick: Revealing a Basic Human Bias
For a good example of confirmation bias watch Derren Brown's "The System" [1] where he makes a woman believe an unknown benefactor has a foolproof system for betting on horses. "Mail Order Prophet" [2] by Alfred Hitchock has a similar idea. [1] [this video] ] [2] [link]
Good example of confirmation bias via a fake foolproof betting system

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@szemet Aug 2017 Cites it
on HN thread Not even wrong: Why does nobody like pilot-wave theory? [pdf]
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On the other hand objective randomness is a black box. You can describe how it behaves at the surface level (so functionally it is usable), but by definition you can't have a finite model of it, so what is inside? No answer by definition - something infinite. So why X happens instead of Y? 1. Let's propose an unexplainable, unmodellable infinite entropy source under everything vs. 2. X happens and so do Y, and one is observed at a certain probability due to anthropic principle - like this: [this video] The first is somehow psychologically less satisfying answer for me, although - of course - I accept that calculation works either way. The second at least not an unimaginable infinite, and in the end leaves me with less "why?".

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