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Joe Rogan Experience #1109 - Matthew Walker

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HN readers recommend it as an accessible, motivating summary of Why We Sleep for people who will not read the book.

Joe Rogan interviews Matthew Walker, Berkeley neuroscience professor and author of Why We Sleep. They discuss what sleep does for the brain and body, the effects of sleep deprivation, and sleep myths.

“His interview on Joe Rogan is a good summary” (HN, 2018)

3 strong recommendations · 9 recommendations · 6 citations · Podcasts · partly dated

18 Hacker News comments

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@quickpost Jun 2018 Strongly recommends
on HN thread Eight hours a night isn’t enough, according to a leading sleep scientist
In addition to this, the JRE podcast with Matthew Walker has tons of fascinating insights into sleep (and how essential it is for health, longevity, etc.). Highly recommend just about everyone listen to it: Joe Rogan Experience #1109 - Matthew Walker [this video]
Fascinating insights into sleep, health and longevity.
@jcims Jun 2018 Strongly recommends
on HN thread Sleep Scientist Warns Against Walking Through Life 'In an Underslept State'
Matthew Walker, the author of Why We Sleep, was on the Joe Rogan Experience recently. I've been in material cognitive decline over the past year or so and I'm nearly certain it's due to my abhorrent sleep patterns. This episode really helped me prioritize a fix over other things that would normally result in a night of 3-5 hrs in bed or on the floor (who knows how much actual sleep). It's a great episode: [this video]
Motivated the commenter to fix their sleep patterns.
@markdog12 Jul 2018 Recommends
on HN thread Ask HN: 2018 Summer Reading List?
Read it based on the thread you posted. I feel like it's a book everyone should read and wished I had read it sooner. Joe Rogan interviews the author here, great vid: [this video]
Interview with the author of Why We Sleep.
@skadamat Jul 2018 Recommends
on HN thread Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
Every single person here, if your serious about diving into the science of sleep, should read Matthew Walker's book: Why We Sleep: [link] His interview on Joe Rogan is a good summary: [this video] He covers everything from why we sleep (obv), naps, melatonin, etc. I've just finished it and really enjoyed it.
Good summary of the Why We Sleep book.
@TheAceOfHearts Sep 2018 Recommends
on HN thread Ask HN: What podcasts do you listen to regularly?
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Joe Rogan Experience [0]. I love that he sits down with people and actually has long in-depth conversations with them. Here's a few interesting ones: * Let's start with his Elon Musk discussion [1]. It came out 2 weeks ago and it already has 14m views. They basically discuss a bunch of his ideas along with things such as AI and the future of humanity. It's fascinating to get a peek into the kind of person he is. * His discussion with Matthew Walker has been one of the most enlightening ones for me [2]. He's a sleep expert, and in the podcast they go over different myths relating to that. There was recently a HN post [3] where some people were quoting him and his book. * Another big favorite of mine was his discussion with Paul Stamets [4], a mycologist (i.e. a mushroom expert). They discuss some of the effects of different kinds of mushrooms, including psilocybin mushrooms (colloquially known as magic mushrooms). * I loved his discussion with Gary Johnson [5], the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate for 2016. How many other presidential candidates would you imagine would be willing to sit down and answer hard-hitting questions for +2 hours? He also had a discussion with Larry Sharpe [6], the Libertarian Party's candidate for governor of New York in 2018. Full disclosure: I recently joined the Libertarian Party. Listening to these podcasts pushed me to learn more about their movement. * He had a discussion with Mikhaila Peterson [7], the daughter of Jordan Peterson, whi
Enlightening discussion debunking sleep myths.
@mattjaynes Dec 2018 Recommends
on HN thread Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?
To get up to speed on how dramatically sleep affects our cognitive performance, listen to this excellent interview with Matthew Walker (Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at UC Berkeley, and Director of the Center for Human Sleep Science) [this video] [link]
Shows how sleep affects cognitive performance.
@throwaway010718 Dec 2018 Recommends
on HN thread Ask HN: Best talks of 2018?
It's not a talk , but worth a mention. Joe Rogan interviews Matthew Walker, a Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and Founder and Director of the Center for Human Sleep Science and author of the book "Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams". [this video]
Interview with sleep scientist Matthew Walker.
@manigandham Mar 2019 Recommends
on HN thread Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
Great JRE podcast episode with Matthew Walker (Professor of Neuroscience, Founder of the Center for Human Sleep Science): [this video]
Great episode with sleep scientist Matthew Walker.
@loceng Dec 2019 Recommends
on HN thread How Microbiomes Affect Fear
Watch this Joe Rogan interview with Matthew Walker - a sleep expert - for answer that doesn't counter science on alcohol: [this video]
Sleep expert answer consistent with science on alcohol.
@mbesto Dec 2020 Recommends
on HN thread Biomarker of Alzheimer's found to be regulated by sleep cycles
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> However, take some of the science positions in the book with a grain of salt. The author is notorious for being directionally correct in his opinions, I've read it and I agree. Although he does admit in the beginning that there basically is not much conclusive facts about sleep, hence his motivation for writing the book. It's implied that what he is saying is fact, and its a lot more correlation than I think panacea. > It's also commonly known that people get less sleep than they think they do. A few things IIRC from the book: - The specific number is irrelevant as long as its "around 7~9" - If you're lying down / resting this still "counts" (its not as impactful, but still beneficial) If people don't want to read the book, the JRE podcast is actually pretty good at summarizing whats in the book: [this video] Good high level points about what to do to get to sleep (5 things): [this video]
Good summary of the book for those who won't read it.

Citations, criticism and jokes

@pdfernhout Jul 2018 Cites it
on HN thread The Effect of Sleep on Happiness
A very small fraction (<<1%) of the population has a genetic variant that may allow them to survive with less sleep according to Matthew Walker, who runs a center for sleep research at UC Berkeley. It is discussed in his book or you can watch him talk about it here: [this video] Wishing you the best in getting the benefits of less sleep without any health consequences. You might want to contact him to discuss.
Walker discusses rare short-sleep genetic variant.
@pdfernhout Jul 2018 Cites it
on HN thread The Ambien Diaries
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Matthew Walker, a sleep expert, says sleep aids like Ambien are counter-productive. [link] "Dangers aside, Ambien and other hypnotics don’t necessarily provide you the kind of sleep your body actually needs. In his book, “Why We Sleep,” Matthew Walker, director of the Center for Human Sleep Science at the University of California, Berkeley, argues that the sleep people get from taking hypnotics doesn’t have the same restorative quality as natural sleep. In an interview with New York Magazine, Walker explains that drugs like Ambien simply “switch off the top of your cortex, the top of your brain, and put you into a state of unconsciousness.” The drugs actually sedate you, he says, and “sedation is not sleep.” The good news for those who desperately crave sleep is that a variety of techniques and methods can help you achieve a blissful state of slumber without prescription medications. Here’s a look at some good ways to reboot your sleep cycle. ..." Discussed at length in his book: [link] Also mentioned in this review: [link] "At last comes an explanation: According to the new book Why We Sleep, by Matthew Walker, the director of the Sleep and Neuroimaging Lab at the University of California, Berkeley, the sleep people get on sleeping pills like Ambien is not true sleep. Drugs like these simply “switch off the top of your cortex, the top of your brain,” he explained to New York Magazine, “and put you into a state of unconsciousness.” That’s not sleep; that’s cryogenics. Accordi
Walker on sleep aids being counterproductive.
@faitswulff Sep 2018 Cites it
on HN thread Let Teenagers Sleep In
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It'll likely be the nth time Matthew Walker is cited here, but in his interview with Joe Rogan, he mentions this is likely a societal trend rather than a biological need: [this video] > Joe Rogan: Yeah, I've heard this recently, that people - that you should have two sleeps. The idea of two sleeps. > Matthew Walker: Yeah, it's actually a little different than the idea of two sleeps. So there was a time in the sort of Dickensian era where people would sleep for the first half of the night, maybe sort of 4 hours or so. Then they would wake up, they would socialize, they would eat, they would make love, then they would go back and have a second sleep. If you look at natural biological rhythms in the brain and the body, that doesn't really seem to be how we were designed. It certainly seems to be something that we did in society, but I think it's more of a societal trend than it was a biological edict. However, we do seem to have two sleep periods. Those tribes will often sleep about 6.5, 7 hours of sleep at night. And then especially in the summer they'll have that siesta like behavior in the afternoon. And all of us have that, sort of this - what's called the post-prandial dip in alertness, just means "after lunch" - and if I measure your brainwave activity with electrodes, I can see a drop in your physiological alertness somewhere between 2 to 4 pm in the afternoon [irrespective of diet].
Walker says biphasic sleep is societal rather than biological.
@TheAceOfHearts Oct 2018 Cites it
on HN thread Ask HN: What is your best advice for a junior software developer?
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Try to sleep 8 to 9 hours every day. In this JRE podcast [0], Matthew Walker, a sleep expert, claimed that sleeping poorly can decrease your performance by 30%. Strive to maintain a good work-life balance. Burnout sucks. Your health and family are more important than work. A workplace that doesn't consider this to be the case is likely to be toxic. As for actual software development advice... Beware blanket statements. They can help you develop a low-resolution model so you don't suffer from paralysis, but real-world problems tend to be complex and messy. Here's an example: if you were building a traditional web app, many software engineers would probably suggest using something like PostgreSQL. That doesn't mean other database technologies don't have their place. However, PostgreSQL is able to adequately serve a large category of problems with relative ease, so it often makes for a sensible starting point. Once you become more familiarized with that domain you'll develop a higher-resolution model and you can begin to evaluate other technologies more effectively. Much of software engineering is about figuring out what tradeoffs to make. Another example in traditional web apps is using cookies for auth. Using cookies for this purpose is well documented and pretty much supported everywhere. There's plenty of known problems with using cookies for this purpose, but the alternatives also have their own set of issues to deal with. My final example: testing. Testing your code is gre
Cited for claim that poor sleep cuts performance.
@sakopov Mar 2019 Cites it
on HN thread Can a Person Learn While Sleeping?
I remember listening Rogan's podcast on the subject of sleep with Matthew Walker, who is a professor of Neuroscience at Berkley. Hopefully I'm not making stuff up as it's been a while, but he talked about a study where each subject was given a task to learn while their brain activity was being recorded. The study found that the same areas of the brain that flared up during the learning and memorization processes were also very active during sleep, as if the brain was replaying the same activity over and over again. Edit: adding link to the podcast if anyone's interested - [this video]
Study on brain replaying learning during sleep.
@pps Jul 2019 Cites it
on HN thread Ask HN: Recommend one book I need to read this summer?
Oh yes, definitely. Another one from these experts is Valter Longo with his book "The Longevity Diet". All three of them were interviewed by Rhonda Patrick [link] for people who like to watch/listen before reading. Matthew was also a guest in Joe Rogan Experience [this video]
Mentions Walker's Rogan appearance alongside book recommendations.

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